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jsup Trans Decision...
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Hey guys, I think I'm going to go with the Performabuilt. Cost will be $2100. I get $400 for my converter, and $100 for my trans.. they are providing a free converter with purchase, so I don't need it.

http://performabuiltautomatics.com/GM ... le-series_700r4_4l60e.htm

So out of pocket, $2100

Any reason why I shouldn't?

Please review the parts used in this build, let me know.
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i think you will be pleased!!
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i think you will be pleased!!


Can't wait to put the slicks on, now that I have a trans that will support it.!! Hopefully it won't snap the bat wing...
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HAHAHAHA
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Pete? Anyone have comments why this would not be a good move?
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What happens if Pete says no?
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jsup Re: Trans Decision...
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What happens if Pete says no?


1. I take his comments under consideration

2.I ask him why he feels that way and how he validates his conclusions.

3. I research and validate if his reasons are valid, no one is a god. This will include talking to: 1. the guy who invented the automatic transmission 2. Drivetrain engineers from Ford, GM, and Chrysler. 3. members of the Penske racing team who specialize in transmissions.

4. I come to a conclusion of the validity of the statements Pete makes as compared to the information I compiled.

5. I then ask another question regarding Pete's point as it relates to the information I have compiled.

6. Repeat 1-5 until I am satisfied Pete has a good point or not.
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In turn Pete will:

1. ask to see my dyno numbers before we can discuss this any further.

2. Tell me he knows a guy who goes real fast and he did it that way and did not do it the way Performabuilt did it.

3. Tell me that racing teams have nothing to do with anything then say if the GM, Ford, and Chrylser guys were so smart why did the trans break in the first place.

4. Get all his friends to gang up on me,tell me to stfu and call for my banning, ask again for dyno sheets before I can be qualified to ask such questions, tell me about more about people who went real fast, and repeat the brochure findings.

5. Get the manufacturer to come in and put up conclusive proof of Pete's points comparing this new technology to a 1962 Chevy Powerglide, which couldn't handle 200 HP and explain that his way it could handle 700HP, although have no 700HP cars to point to.

6. Said manufacturer suggests I buy his product and the Performabuilt, install both in my car, dyno it, and put the results on Corvette Guru so I can validate everything Pete says. Then reiterates the call for a dyno sheet, in order to validate my concerns that Pete may not be correct. Then personally attacks me.

7. Find someone who built a trans in their kitchen, once or twice, and hold them up as an expert witness because they went to GM training for a week in May.

8. And at the end of all this I still would have learned nothing about why Pete's reasons were valid in the first place.


I think that's how it usually goes.
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Consult team of crack engineers?


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Penske engineers are still working with Rockcrushers.

At least Indy cars use a sequential box.
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I guess you guys won't be discussing anything then.

John, If anyone attacks you, or gangs up on you, please let me know. I don't like when the little guys get picked on.


Ron, that was funny man....
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I guess you guys won't be discussing anything then.

John, If anyone attacks you, or gangs up on you, please let me know. I don't like when the little guys get picked on.


Why do you say that? John's reply was very well thought out and goes along a logical path we should all consider following.

Have things become so "known" that empirical data has lost it importance?

I have a headache, it's time for bed.
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What happens if Pete says no?
you get a cookie.
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What happens if Pete says no?
you get a cookie.
Chocolate chip I hope....John did Pete say yes? I myself would be worried about the warranty, and the reputation of the shop.
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Pete said in the past, he has heard nothing bad about them, and they use the same converter he sells. Just verifying, and I'm not just asking Pete.

The warranty is one year, considerably longer than any other offer I can find. Most offer 30 days or 60 days.

Also they will replace the trans for $900 if it ever explodes while I own it.

I can only find good comments about this shop. Bad news travels fast so since I can't find any, IDK. I will take another week to research it.

They are fairly local, less than 2 hours away.

By the time I drop $2K, I am sure that it's the right purchase, I do not call the manufacturer and ask what I should do, or believe everything on their website.

Another week of research, real research, then I will make the decision. I will look at every part they list on their build and see if they are a quality part, as I search the reputation of the shop.
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John, If anyone attacks you, or gangs up on you, please let me know. I don't like when the little guys get picked on.


That right there is just right out funny. I don't know why I ever thought you had no sense of humor.
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What happens if Pete says no?
you get a cookie.
Chocolate chip I hope....John did Pete say yes? I myself would be worried about the warranty, and the reputation of the shop.
apparently you don't get out too much cause they are sponsors on a few f body sites with tons of good feedback.
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Pete? Anyone have comments why this would not be a good move?


None at all.
Warrantee is good, parts may be overkill, but overall price seems fair.

PS:
I think you may have noticed that I never beat my point of view into others.
Not my nature.
I always give my honest opinion. Most choose to make up their own minds, and buy what they wish to buy. I am never offended either way.
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88BlackZ51 wrote:
What happens if Pete says no?


1. I take his comments under consideration

2.I ask him why he feels that way and how he validates his conclusions.

3. I research and validate if his reasons are valid, no one is a god. This will include talking to: 1. the guy who invented the automatic transmission 2. Drivetrain engineers from Ford, GM, and Chrysler. 3. members of the Penske racing team who specialize in transmissions.

4. I come to a conclusion of the validity of the statements Pete makes as compared to the information I compiled.

5. I then ask another question regarding Pete's point as it relates to the information I have compiled.

6. Repeat 1-5 until I am satisfied Pete has a good point or not.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
In turn Pete will:

1. ask to see my dyno numbers before we can discuss this any further.

2. Tell me he knows a guy who goes real fast and he did it that way and did not do it the way Performabuilt did it.

3. Tell me that racing teams have nothing to do with anything then say if the GM, Ford, and Chrylser guys were so smart why did the trans break in the first place.

4. Get all his friends to gang up on me,tell me to stfu and call for my banning, ask again for dyno sheets before I can be qualified to ask such questions, tell me about more about people who went real fast, and repeat the brochure findings.

5. Get the manufacturer to come in and put up conclusive proof of Pete's points comparing this new technology to a 1962 Chevy Powerglide, which couldn't handle 200 HP and explain that his way it could handle 700HP, although have no 700HP cars to point to.

6. Said manufacturer suggests I buy his product and the Performabuilt, install both in my car, dyno it, and put the results on Corvette Guru so I can validate everything Pete says. Then reiterates the call for a dyno sheet, in order to validate my concerns that Pete may not be correct. Then personally attacks me.

7. Find someone who built a trans in their kitchen, once or twice, and hold them up as an expert witness because they went to GM training for a week in May.

8. And at the end of all this I still would have learned nothing about why Pete's reasons were valid in the first place.


I think that's how it usually goes.

Not from me.
I am too busy to bust your ballz
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88BlackZ51 wrote:
What happens if Pete says no?


1. I take his comments under consideration

2.I ask him why he feels that way and how he validates his conclusions.

3. I research and validate if his reasons are valid, no one is a god. This will include talking to: 1. the guy who invented the automatic transmission 2. Drivetrain engineers from Ford, GM, and Chrysler. 3. members of the Penske racing team who specialize in transmissions.

4. I come to a conclusion of the validity of the statements Pete makes as compared to the information I compiled.

5. I then ask another question regarding Pete's point as it relates to the information I have compiled.

6. Repeat 1-5 until I am satisfied Pete has a good point or not.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
In turn Pete will:

1. ask to see my dyno numbers before we can discuss this any further.

2. Tell me he knows a guy who goes real fast and he did it that way and did not do it the way Performabuilt did it.

3. Tell me that racing teams have nothing to do with anything then say if the GM, Ford, and Chrylser guys were so smart why did the trans break in the first place.

4. Get all his friends to gang up on me,tell me to stfu and call for my banning, ask again for dyno sheets before I can be qualified to ask such questions, tell me about more about people who went real fast, and repeat the brochure findings.

5. Get the manufacturer to come in and put up conclusive proof of Pete's points comparing this new technology to a 1962 Chevy Powerglide, which couldn't handle 200 HP and explain that his way it could handle 700HP, although have no 700HP cars to point to.

6. Said manufacturer suggests I buy his product and the Performabuilt, install both in my car, dyno it, and put the results on Corvette Guru so I can validate everything Pete says. Then reiterates the call for a dyno sheet, in order to validate my concerns that Pete may not be correct. Then personally attacks me.

7. Find someone who built a trans in their kitchen, once or twice, and hold them up as an expert witness because they went to GM training for a week in May.

8. And at the end of all this I still would have learned nothing about why Pete's reasons were valid in the first place.


I think that's how it usually goes.

Not from me.
I am too busy to bust your ballz


Get on the stick man, that's the process...
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What happens if Pete says no?
you get a cookie.
Chocolate chip I hope....John did Pete say yes? I myself would be worried about the warranty, and the reputation of the shop.
apparently you don't get out too much cause they are sponsors on a few f body sites with tons of good feedback.


Sorry man. Don't spend all day on car forums.
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John, If anyone attacks you, or gangs up on you, please let me know. I don't like when the little guys get picked on.


That right there is just right out funny. I don't know why I ever thought you had no sense of humor.



You think that's funny? That's nothing!
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